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2008-12-03 ZB1 The Ultimate power at Conservapedia issue (and no I don't think the sysops should rule the roost)
2008-12-03 ZB1 Plans for the site
2008-12-03 ZB1 TK
2008-12-04 ZB1 Navbox question
2008-12-04 ZB1 Revamping the Desk


CPAdmin1 <>, Wed, 3 Dec 2008 01:34:21 -0800 (PST):

Someone on RW posted this.  Does anyone know if it is real or faked?

CPAdmin1 <>, Wed, 3 Dec 2008 01:35:14 -0800 (PST):

Duh, forgot to put the link in.

conservative777 <>, Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:05:24 -0800 (PST):

Hoji claims it was real.  I also think if you go to the talk pages of
the theory of evolution and Darwin pages there is strong evidence to
suggest that TK is a closet Darwinist.  I think TK is a libertarian so
I am not surprised.

Also, TK told me when we had a dispute about search engines that he
recently talked to a founder of Google and that I was wrong.  Well, I
know I was not wrong and I don't believe that TK did talk to a founder
of Google.  I don't trust TK farther than I can throw him.

conservative777 <>, Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:08:47 -0800 (PST):

In addition, TK seemed to think I had too much emphasis on promoting
on religious entries at Conservapedia and that we are not
"BibleWiki".  While we may not be BibleWiki, given TK's problems with
the telling the truth, I am not surprised he felt I placed too much
emphasis on Christianity/religion entries.

"Bill Bagot" <>, Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:07:06 -0800:


I have a difficulty with this line of questioning.  TK should be measured
based upon his actions and the positives and negatives that he brings to
this site, not based upon his personal philosophies.  Like many people, TK
is uncertain of the history of our planet, but that should not be a
consideration of his worth or value.

Bill  (Learn Together)

Geoffrey Plourde <>, Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:01:49 -0800 (PST):

So he might be a closet darwinist? He doesn't edit Evolution so that is a moot point. For what its worth, I remain open on the origin question and believe that God created the earth using the proven parts of evolution.

"Brian Macdonald" <>, Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:57:28 -0600:

Even though this is several months old (when Hoji was still here), this
proves my point in several areas:

1) They want to control the site.
2) TK and several others were looking for the ways and means of dividing us
to wrest control from us.
3) Many of them believe that a wiki is an "open" website to be edited by
anyone at will, especially if that site is named Conservapedia.

Do not give TK any more priviledges than he already has.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Geoffrey Plourde <>wrote:

DeanS <>, Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:29:42 -0800 (PST):

I sent the link to TK and here is his reply:

"Yeah, I remember Hoji was in the middle of his meltdown and he posted
those on Andy’s page, as a matter of fact.  It is real in that I used
to chat with him on IRC, and that some of the convo seemed to me to be
real, and of course other parts are bogus.

Ames, Trent, Genghis_Khant, and company are masters, I was but an
idiot in trying to gather information, playing junior spy, lol. It
wasn’t that long ago, yet so much was happening at that time, it blurs

I was, for longer than I should have, trying to salvage David (Hoji).
At some point one has to admit they are an old man, and even thought
the memories of being a high school kid seem fresh, I guess I was the
victim of not really remembering the passions of that age….he was very
bitter and intent on branding all of CP, and especially Andy,  as a
lie.  There were lots of people then (perhaps now, even) pretending to
be me, Ames, Ed --  whoever… was a pretty deadly-earnest effort.

So, yes, I chatted with Hoji.  No, it isn’t an accurate screen
capture, inasmuch as that isn’t 100% what was said, at least the
nastiest, most damaging parts.  All of this stuff I relayed to Andy at
the time, keeping him as informed, or misinformed as I was, at the
time.  Trent had the ability, being a real wiki master, to create
accounts, use mine, anyone’s, make posts at RW, insert IP’s, all of
that.  Doing so, one can create a huge body of “evidence”, and the
person’s name being spoofed would never know, because they would post
stuff as someone else, take shots of it, delete it, or move it out,
and no one would ever know.

So, yeah, about 60% truth, me trying to lead him to get info, and him
doing the same to me, I guess with an eye towards fictionalizing the
final product, delivered to all of you.  I had never, still have
never, run into such a group of people anywhere, on the Net or off.

I guess the fact that they are still trying, have involved some of
CP’s youngest members, like Tim, who is in junior college now, I
assume, is troubling.  Maybe I should feel flattered, that they view
me as such a threat, they are still after me. If I were who they say,
and intent in destroying CP, one would have to wonder why, since they
hate CP, would they be giving all of you this stuff?  Seems to me,
they would just sit back and wish me well, right?

The fact that I kept Andy, Geo, Ed, others constantly apprised of
whatever I learned still means nothing to some of these guys.   The
fact that at the bottom line, their anger is directed at the digging
that not only I did, but Karajou and Geo as well, and their being
blocked, carpet-bombed if need be by IP range-blocks, seems to mean
nothing to some of our fellow conservatives, saddens me.  Through all
of it then, and evidently until this very moment, it seems to matter
not at all, that I never vandalized, inserted parody, allowed others
to do so, and blocked most all of them, all while being one of the
most accessible & communicative of all the CP Admins, literally means
nothing to some of them.

If grown men, mostly, cannot sit back, gather their thoughts, and
clearly see who is doing the attacking, and wonder why, and then
understand why they are doing it, there is absolutely nothing I could
do or say to change their minds, Dean.  I stand on my completely clear
and transparent record at Conservapedia. I could have done nothing
more than I have to defend and protect the place.  More than a year
later, I am still being forced to defend myself against cowards who
will not show their faces to the light of day, who hide behind
proxies, who aren’t known and public like I am.  All of the stuff they
throw up against me, its nothing but obfuscation.  When they are shown
to be liars, their response isn’t to disprove it, they just throw
another heap of dung on me, or whoever they are after, and people who
should know better, actually take the word of liberals and people who
have vowed to destroy CP.  Incredible!

It’s all pretty simple: They are not conservatives, they are radical
liberals. I am a conservative.  They have stated at lots of places, in
all ways it is humanly possible that they want to destroy the place.
It is equally apparent that all I have done is to impede, block and
remove them from CP.  In spite of all the made-up hooey, they cannot
escape; a few of CP’s moronic Admins cannot escape; my record of
protecting the Conservapedia project.  In the end, those who hate me
are liberals, and their own words on CP, like Tim, show a record of
being duped, and treating that slime with Kidd gloves.  Conservative,
well what can be said about a man who hides his own identity, refuses
to allow personal examination of his life, but does that to others?  I
exposed, blocked and refuted them.  They sent BS to anyone they could,
knowing that some would be so weak or stupid they would believe it.

You should feel free to show this to anyone at the official Admin
clubhouse.  Tell them that with the exception of you, Ed, Andy,
Joaquin, and Geo, they pretty much sicken me, because I dislike
cowards who talk about their fellow conservatives and another
Christian behind their back, not allowing them to confront their
accusers, just like the liberals they claim to hate.

Tell them I serve at Andy Schlafly’s pleasure, and will do so, I
assume, until he no longer has confidence in me.  Tell them I do not
respect them because they are still at it, talking behind my back like
weak gossipy school girls, and actually considering so-called
“evidence” provided to them by known and self-confessed liberals,
people who have publicly stated their intent is to destroy them, Andy
and CP.  Because of that alone, I no longer care what they think.
Tell them they can go to Hell, and from what I know of their behind
closed-door pettiness, they belong there. Finally, tell them I pray
for all of them, but they will have to rely on God’s forgiveness,
because I am his imperfect servant, and cannot bring myself to do so.


conservative777 <>, Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:27:19 -0800 (PST):

I have no problem with the concept that people can change. I have seen
God change many people.  However, I still see TK as power hungry and
he very likely still has a big problem telling the truth.  I only gave
the most absurd case of TK lying (talking to one of the heads of
Google who told him something wrong about the search engines).  From
what I have seen I the main three reasons why TK lies is to: Impress,
cover his actions, and to gain more power.  Ultimately though it is
self defeating as it often has the opposite effect of what he

"Bill Bagot" <>, Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:34:36 -0800:

I am not sure this was beneficial.  It may have been better to summarize his
remarks.  Firstly, this is a closed group.  While it is understandable that
the information be brought to his attention if you had personal concerns
Dean, any mention that Tim brought it up or comments made by Conservative
should be classified.  That TK chose to make negative comments about both
sysops in his reply was unfortunate.  He should have just discussed the
issue as it dealt with him if he felt there were insights that he could add.

My take on it is that this is old news.  It was discussed over a year ago
and isn't anything new.  Events that happened after that were actually worse
from a CP perspective.  Any of us who have talked with TK know his strengths
and his weaknesses.  There's only a problem if someone tries to make him all
strengths or all weaknesses.  

Bill  (Learn Together)

conservative777 <>, Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:37:46 -0800 (PST):

Bill Bagot,

I should have been more clear.  My beef with TK's closet Darwinism was
that he always maintained he was not an evolutionist but his actions
always spoke loudly that he was indeed an evolutionist.  So my problem
with his closet Darwinism was its great duplicity.  When I saw first
saw the "photobucket material" above that the thread originator gave
in his introductory post, although I had a little doubt regarding its
authenticity at first,  I later thought that given TK's previous
actions the material being a non-forgery was the inference to the best



Ed Poor <>, Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:48:55 -0800 (PST):

Well, if this many people distrust TK then I conclude it is the
consensus of the group not to invite him to join it.

I for one could do without the rancor and contention that seems to
erupt when he is here. When there is peace, reason will prevail. And
also the will of God can be done.

TK is good at finding out what goes on with the "rats", so let's keep
him working on that job. If he needs to filter his reports through
Andy - rather than posting directly to our group here - so be it.
Anyway, I enjoy talking on the phone with him, and I'm sure Andy was
wise to restore his blocking rights.

Let's give it a few more weeks and see what happens. When the next big
article hits the Google top 10, we will all be glad that TK has a


Geoffrey Plourde <>, Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:55:42 -0800 (PST):

I also believe that adding him to this group is not a good idea. It is better to have him plugging ratholes, then here.

"Justine Allen" <>, Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:58:02 +1100:


I don't think there ever was a proposal to invite TK back into the group. If
there ever was any kind of proposal, I would probably reject it per his
actions 12 months ago.

DeanS <>, Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:58:13 -0800 (PST):

I agree with your reply Bill. I did feel that I needed to get TK's
response to this post. I was concerned when I saw those screenprints.
I apologize for mentioning Tim or Conservative in my email to TK. I
will keep this group info private in future emails.


Ed Poor <>, Thu, 4 Dec 2008 04:38:54 -0800 (PST):


I believe we have previously agreed that /nothing/ from this group
shall ever be forwarded to a person outside the group. It's grounds
for permanent expulsion, as I think Justine just pointed out.


"Bill Bagot" <>, Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:13:40 -0800:

Everyone makes mistakes and Dean realizes he made a mistake in this case and
will be more careful in the future.  That's good enough for me.  

Bill  (Learn Together)

Geoffrey Plourde <>, Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:18:01 -0800 (PST):

It was nothing of importance and had no sensitive information. Also, disclosure furthered the interests of this group by obtaining an answer to CPAdmin's question.

2008-12-03 ZB1 The Ultimate power at Conservapedia issue (and no I don't think the sysops should rule the roost)
2008-12-03 ZB1 Plans for the site
2008-12-03 ZB1 TK
2008-12-04 ZB1 Navbox question
2008-12-04 ZB1 Revamping the Desk

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