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Question on copyright

Rob Smith, Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 1:26 PM:

Question on copyright: I've recently had two articles, originally published in CP, cut and pasted to WP, and then deleted from WP for "copyright abiguities."  A WP sysop stated after the last deletion,
"As RationalWiki points out, there is no sure way to determine whether copyright belongs to the original contributor or if it is surrendered to Conservapedia. If we can get a waiver stating that the copyright definitely belongs to the original contributor, then I will undelete it." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Grigory_Kheifets
WP's Corenbot instantaneously detects material copy pasted from elsewhere and the article heads for the deletion process unless the editor can show it is not copyvio.  The simplest soultion may be  to temporarily delete the original CP article (so as to avoid detection by the Corenbot), create the WP article, then later restore the CP article.
 
WP's internal bureacratic processes are impossible to deal with, and now they're coached by Ratwikians.  Is this worth fighting out publicly with WP, or is my idea a simpler and quicker way to get articles originally published in CP cut and pasted into WP? Thoughts anyone?
 
 
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 7:19 PM, <aschlafly@aol.com> wrote:
Rob,

Thanks for your terrific work, and I much appreciated your picture of Obama emerging from the ocean at the beach.

But it looked like it might be an AP photo.  Newspapers such as the Washington Post will often run AP photos without giving clear credit.  I couldn't tell from the link who took the photo.

Per our prior emails below, note that the AP unreasonably complains about fair use of their photos.

No big deal: I quickly deleted the photo as a precaution.  If you know it is not an AP photo, then we can restore it.  This photo is probably not worth spending more time on.

Thanks again.  In Christ,

Andy

Geoffrey Plourde, Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:08 PM:

Which administrator? I'll email them personally. It disturbs me that they are using a vandal blog as a reliable source on our copyright. 

Rob Smith, Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:05 AM:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Harej formerly known as
User:MessedRocker, a longtime Admin who does mostly maintainance
chores. A measure of collusion between unknown WP cabalists and
Ratwiki is something I've always suspected.

Here's the two deletions, the wording is similiar, but in the second
he sources Ratwiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abraham_Lincoln_School
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Grigory_Kheifets

Geoffrey Plourde, Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:33 AM:

I've sent a note to Messed, and I don't think there is collusion, just ignorance

Andy, Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:05 AM:

I wouldn't waste time on WP, but if delete-and-repost on Conservative
is the most convenient solution for you Rob, that's fine with me.

In Christ,

Andy

Karajou, Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:30 AM:

I toyed with the idea of grabbing Wikipedia articles en masse and posting them on Conservapedia, but after a severe clean-up.  But doing so would defeat our own purposes and credibility.   On a side note, I noticed that others have used Wikipedia and other wikis as sources when writing articles that have nothing to do with wikis of any kind.  I would recommend avoiding this practice.  Wiki-based websites are continually changing at the whims of the individual user, so what is accurate now could be innaccurate in a few minutes. 

Rob Smith, Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:42 AM:

When we get more collaboration on articles this shouldn't be a problem.  It's only when an exisitng article is cut and pasted verbatim that Corenbot instantaneously catches it.  I did manage to sneak in one or two articles before Corenbot was active (U.S. Peace Council, the KGB front Obama's predecssor in  the Illinois State Senate served on the Executive Board of; the WP article now and all its mirrors substantially originated in Conservapedia.  Likewise  WP's ''Honolulu Record'' article, the commie rag Obama's mentor wrote for, was cut and pasted together from two Conservapedia articles, and Corenbot did not detect it).   The advantage is, highly controversial articles can be completed in Conservapedia before they are taken over and watered down in WP.  These articles all should have had WP collaboration more than a year ago, but conservative writers tdidn't do it and libs just ignored them. The articles now aren't just election year issues, they are part of the permanent history of the United States and Obama's personal biography.   Did I mention the ''Honolulu Record'' article was immediately translated into Russian & Chinese two days after its creation.

TK, Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:00 AM:

It is indeed against our Guidelines to use Wikipedia as a source, and everyone should be on the look out for them, and remove such.  That is the key problem to having a Mobocracy, which CP will never have.

 

We will never win the arguments about notability and Copyright that the Rat Wikian’s have firmly implanted, over a year ago, at Wikipedia.

 

--TerryK

 

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