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2008-11-15 ZB1 Fw: New temporary password for Conservapedia
2008-11-15 ZB1 User:Dimetrodont
2008-11-15 ZB1 TK
2008-11-15 ZB1 Bugler proves he is a parodist
2008-11-15 ZB1 A pathetic Parthian shot [Fwd: (no subject)]

TK

CPAdmin1 <timo...@goodcomputerhelp.com>, Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:12:40 -0800 (PST):

TK is back.  Now what?

"Philip Rayment \(home\)" <PJRaym...@Yahoo.com.au>, Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:47:26 +1100:

I'm very disappointed that senior people have been welcoming back this
saboteur.

Philip J. Rayment
Skype: PhilipAndRebekahRayment

CPAdmin1 <timo...@goodcomputerhelp.com>, Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:53:06 -0800 (PST):

I thought he had been blocked for a year.
Anyway, I agree.  I don't think he deserves the welcome.  He has done
more to harm conservapedia then any other user.  Yet he is welcomed,
and others who sincerely try to help the encyclopedia are blocked,
simply because they disagree on some issues.

Tim

Geoffrey Plourde <geo.p...@yahoo.com>, Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:04:18 -0800 (PST):

Please calm down. He did do much for Conservapedia. While some of his actions have been felt to be unhelpful, can we give him the benefit of the doubt?

"Brian Macdonald" <kara...@gmail.com>, Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:11:55 -0600:

Let's see where his edits go.  I'll give him the benefit of the doubt
myself.

On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Geoffrey Plourde <geo.p...@yahoo.com>wrote:

"Philip Rayment \(home\)" <PJRaym...@Yahoo.com.au>, Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:29:55 +1100:

What doubt?

Yes, he did much for Conservapedia.  He drove away good editors, imposed his will even over other adminsitrators, tried to control people, and tried to destroy Conservapedia.

"unhelpful" is not an accurate description.  It's a whitewash.

Philip J. Rayment
Skype: PhilipAndRebekahRayment

"Philip Rayment \(home\)" <PJRaym...@Yahoo.com.au>, Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:30:39 +1100:

Like the benefit of the doubt that you give other RationalWiki people?

Philip J. Rayment
Skype: PhilipAndRebekahRayment

CPAdmin1 <timo...@goodcomputerhelp.com>, Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:37:49 -0800 (PST):

Not building any bridges is he?

http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:TK&diff=prev&o...

"Philip Rayment \(home\)" <PJRaym...@Yahoo.com.au>, Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:16:43 +1100:

Not only that, but he is hypocritical.  I've tried to change things by
consensus.  He tried to change things by decree, whilst claiming Andy
approved.  I believe that the only approval he generally got was a blanket
one to "do as he thinks best".

Philip J. Rayment
Skype: PhilipAndRebekahRayment

Temlakos <temla...@gmail.com>, Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:41:01 -0500:

And I say that TK was a liar. He spoke to me over the telephone too many
times to count. And each time he told a cock-and-bull story about having
met someone with a famous name. Once in fact he told of flying
first-class across the aisle from Lucille Ball and her personal
secretary. And if any of you believe that--well, as they say in my local
major TV market, I have a partnership share in a bridge spanning New
York City's East River that I would like to offer for sale.

TerryH

CPAdmin1 <timo...@goodcomputerhelp.com>, Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:24:08 -0800 (PST):

He was never nice to me.  Often trying to get me to quit the project.
(both on site and in email)
As well as trying to turn me against others on the site.

"Brian Macdonald" <kara...@gmail.com>, Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:25:54 -0600:

Yes, the benefit of the doubt.  After all, didn't both you and Tim try to
tell me that I should be "fair"?

On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Philip Rayment (home) <

CPAdmin1 <timo...@goodcomputerhelp.com>, Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:43:24 -0800 (PST):

I agree, he should get the benefit of the doubt.  However, he already
started to prove himself in a way that we do not like.  Did you see
the edit I posted.  If he came and started contributing positively,
that would be great.  Even now I don't think he has earned himself
another block yet.  However, he has come back, and immediately jumped
back into arguing and fighting and namecalling, and generally trying
to throw his weight around, which is not a good way of proving
goodwill, especially from him.

"Brian Macdonald" <kara...@gmail.com>, Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:49:14 -0600:

Then it is at that point that he should be blocked, as per the rules of the
site; one day for first offence, three for the next and so on.

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:43 AM, CPAdmin1 <timo...@goodcomputerhelp.com>wrote:

"Philip Rayment \(home\)" <PJRaym...@Yahoo.com.au>, Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:49:13 +1100:

Yes, you should be fair.  But (a) being fair doesn't mean welcoming an unrepentant (there's no evidence of repentance) violator, (b) in TK's case, there is no doubt, and (c) my question was asking why you want to give TK the benefit of the doubt that you don't give to other RationalWiki people.  To put it another way, will you now give "the benefit of the doubt" to any other RationalWiki person who returns?  Or only TK?

Philip J. Rayment
Skype: PhilipAndRebekahRayment

"Brian Macdonald" <kara...@gmail.com>, Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:54:14 -0600:

The only way i will give the benefit of the doubt to any RatWiki person is
for them to first renounce (or *repent* of) RatWiki itself.  Keep in mind
that RatWiki's official policy is to destroy our website.

Remember what I stated several months ago and forwarded to Andy about those
people: if RatWiki people intend to return to Conservapedia they are to
contact Andy and apologize to him personally for their past conduct before
they return, and only Andy can give authorization for that return.

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Philip Rayment (home) <

CPAdmin1 <timo...@goodcomputerhelp.com>, Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:05:57 -0800 (PST):

I am not sure that it is official RW policy to destroy CP.  I know
there are alot of editors over there that refuse to participate in
vandalism of any kind.  And many of them have never vandalized CP.

"Brian Macdonald" <kara...@gmail.com>, Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:14:56 -0600:

Those editors would still have to be authorized by Andy.

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:05 AM, CPAdmin1 <timo...@goodcomputerhelp.com>wrote:

"Bill Bagot" <wbag...@san.rr.com>, Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:23:55 -0800:

TK was a prominent Conservapedia presence and sysop who was the scorn of RW.
Is he now to be viewed as a bastion of the RW site?

Whatever merits or lack of merits that TK has, they should be weighed on
their own.

To be fair, I should also recluse myself from any decisions that are made.
TK took me under his wing and helped show me the ropes at Conservapedia.
While I understand the decision to remove him last November, I will also
have a certain loyalty to the man for what he did for me personally.

Bill  (Learn Together)    

Geoffrey Plourde <geo.p...@yahoo.com>, Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:28:15 -0800 (PST):

I agree. He had a minor dispute over the usage of a template but he came for help rather than tormenting the other person. That is improvement. he hasn't really done much yet either.

Geoffrey Plourde <geo.p...@yahoo.com>, Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:29:59 -0800 (PST):

Correct, about a year ago. If you want I can think of several things that the precious RW users did.

1) Coordinated vandalism
2) Page boosting and bandwidth consumption
3) intolerance

Since he came back he hasn't really caused any problems.

Geoffrey Plourde <geo.p...@yahoo.com>, Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:31:06 -0800 (PST):

I would be very surprised if he actually liked Philip.

Ed Poor <uncle_ed_p...@yahoo.com>, Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:27:22 -0800 (PST):

I'm a Unificationist - therefore, I like everyone.
TK's a Catholic.
Philip's a liberal, but also a young earth Creationist.

Here's a rule of thumb: anyone liberals hate with a passion is /
likely/ to be a great help to the conservative cause.

Whom do liberals hate most of all? Rev. Moon, of course.
Moon adamantly opposes communism (because of its atheism and its human
rights record).
He totally rejects homosexuality (and once compared homosexuals to the
"dogs" mentioned in Revelations 22 who would be outside the gate of
heaven).
Moon supports scientists whose work opposed liberal dogma (see
[[ICUS]]), and one of his members got a scholarship to gain a Ph.D.
and then decided to attack Evolution head on (ever hear of [[Jonathan
Wells]] and "Icons of Evolution"?)
Moon claims credit (along with Reagan) for winning the cold war. His
church members were the first religious workers allowed into the
former USSR in 1992.
The list goes on, but I've made my point.

Let's stop all this bickering about personalities and get back to
supporting conservative /principles/.

Ed Poor

Justine <enitsujne...@gmail.com>, Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:46:44 -0800 (PST):

Wow, I'm surprised TK has returned. So much can happen in 48hrs of
being absent.

Andy <Aschla...@aol.com>, Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:26:53 -0800 (PST):

Let's see what TK does.  We never revoked his privileges and he never
vandalized the site.  He came back on his own, and with kind words.

The Prodigal Son is welcomed backed in the famous parable.  Let's
watch.  Thanks for your patience and understanding.

In Christ,

Andy

2008-11-15 ZB1 Fw: New temporary password for Conservapedia
2008-11-15 ZB1 User:Dimetrodont
2008-11-15 ZB1 TK
2008-11-15 ZB1 Bugler proves he is a parodist
2008-11-15 ZB1 A pathetic Parthian shot [Fwd: (no subject)]

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