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2008-04-13 ZB1 Why is Joaquin quitting?
2008-04-13 ZB1 Welshman ban
2008-04-13 ZB1 How long are we going to tolerate TK?
2008-04-13 ZB1 The St. Johns speaking engagement
2008-04-13 ZB1 Removal of bigoted userbox

How long are we going to tolerate TK?

"Brian Macdonald" <kara...@gmail.com>, Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:48:13 -0500:

Well, the personal rants that TK employed are way over the line, which is
typical of him.

And in addition to that, user TomMoore decides he can use TK's rants on his
user page, solely for the effort of mocking the rest of us and the site.  I
am very, very close to blocking that user permanently.

"Philip Rayment" <PJRaym...@yahoo.com.au>, Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:18:39 +1000:

I suspect, actually, that TomMoore put that quote of TK's on his user page in order to mock TK.  In the quote, TK is denigrating me, but TomMoore and I have gotten along fairly well, despite having different views on things (although not all things).

Further, very soon after you wrote this, Ed blocked him for "personal remarks", with no clear indication of what remarks were personal (although it's likely a response to something TK said).  And the block was infinite.

Ed, can you explain this block, both its reason and its duration?

Philip Rayment

Ed Poor <uncle_ed_p...@yahoo.com>, Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:00:58 -0700 (PDT):

"It sure does seem like you were hostile, incidentally, enough so that
someone entirely uninvolved felt moved to note it. Perhaps you should
reread your posts before you save them and make sure that they don't
require tone of voice to get across your message?"

That's Tom calling TK "hostile" and lecturing him on "tone of voice".
And by the way, none of this has anything to do with improving the
Main Page.

Ed Poor

"Philip Rayment" <PJRaym...@yahoo.com.au>, Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:08:42 +1000:

Ed,

Given that he was /responding/ to TK's post, and /accurately/ describing it,
I wouldn't describe that as unreasonable "personal remarks" at all.

As for not improving the main page, neither did TK's post.  And that's one
of the problems.  TK went around making hostile, belittling posts, and
various people on the receiving end of those posts replied.  The people
replying got blocked, and TK wasn't even criticised.  The double-standard
was blatant.

And you didn't explain why, even if it merited a block at all, it merited an
/infinite/ block.

Philip Rayment

Ed Poor <uncle_ed_p...@yahoo.com>, Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:39:24 -0700 (PDT):

Describing TK - rather than discussing article contents - is by
definition a personal remark. My block of the one was not an
endorsement of the other - who hasn't been seen much lately anyway.

When I taught Sunday School, if I saw two children abusing each other,
I rarely punished both. One "time-out" per incident is enough to get
the message across: we are here to do class work, not to hurt each
other. Sometimes I'd deliberately choose the "less troublesome" of the
pair. I don't believe we have to get to the bottom of it; it doesn't
matter who started it. I told the kids, if someone in class is hurting
you, don't retaliate. Come to me if you need help.

Now I train Sunday School teachers . . .

Ed Poor

"Philip Rayment" <PJRaym...@yahoo.com.au>, Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:00:55 +1000:

Yes, if it's describing him, then it's a personal remark.  But sometimes
personal remarks are warranted.

TomMoore asked a question about content.  TK made a pointless and demeaning
reply.  TomMoore described TK's actions.

If I saw two children abusing each other, I would either punish both (if
both were in the wrong) or determine who started it and punish that one (if
the other was merely responding).  To punish one and not the other when both
are in the wrong is simply unfair.  If it's the "less troublesome", then you
are in effect rewarding the more troublesome.

And when various people have run-ins with TK and it's always the other
person than TK that receives the punishment, it's blatant favouritism.

You have still not justified the length of TomMoore's block despite asking a
couple of times, so I'm going to unblock him.

Philip Rayment

2008-04-13 ZB1 Why is Joaquin quitting?
2008-04-13 ZB1 Welshman ban
2008-04-13 ZB1 How long are we going to tolerate TK?
2008-04-13 ZB1 The St. Johns speaking engagement
2008-04-13 ZB1 Removal of bigoted userbox

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